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  • Clubchloe1
    Clubchloe1 closed this thread because:
    Nothing was ever really settled and it has not been added to in a month.
    18:32, August 30, 2013
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    NOTICE: This conversation will be discussing ABOUT THE DEMOTION OF OUR INACTIVE BUREAUCRATS. Also, PLEASE LOOK AT THE CONTRIBS OF THESE INACTIVE BUREAUCRATS BEFORE YOU VOTE, AND PLEASE LOOK AT THE RULES OF THIS VOTING THREAD (located on the same post as this one).

    Okay guys—This is a serious conversation, as it involves the demotion of our inactive bureaucrats. I'm sure you guys will agree with me on this, but here's the list of them we need to demote:

    • Soul reaper—Why do I need to explain this? He in fact made so many red links that we had to start a project because of him.
    • The Yoshiman—Been inactive since 2011; does not need the rights anymore.
    • DarkSmasherElite—He's been so inactive and he's never gonna come back anyways.

    Please reply to this thread saying your opinions about the demotion of our inactive bureaucrats.

    If you are wondering what a bureaucrat is, please note a "bureaucrat" is a user who can promote other users to admin, bureaucrat, and rollback, and also take away another users admin, rollback, and bot status. For a user to take away another user's bureaucrat status, that must be done by Wikia staff.

    RULES FOR THE REPLIES TO THIS THREAD

    Because I feel that we need rules for this, here they are:

    DO NOT make pointless replies to this thread (e.g. content is: "ditto")
    Any pointless replies to this thread will be deleted.
    Keep the votes informative.
    This basically means, put your reason as to why you think these users should be demoted, and if you only want a certain one demoted/are against the demotion of a certain user, please state what user you do and why.
    Arguments, trolls, or anything else that leads to insulting is NOT allowed
    Any arguments, or trolls found are deleted and users who do will either be blocked or be warned about the code of conduct.
    PLEASE ONLY VOTE IF YOU HAVE SEEN THESE USERS CONTRIBS


    Any other rules on on the forum rules.

    The current votes are:

    Support
    3
    Oppose
    0
    Neutral
    2

    Users who we need to reply to this thread:

    • The rest of the active community.
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    • Neutral. While I don't see any need for the said users to retain bureaucrat powers, I don't really see it as absolutely necessary to go about demoting them. I've got no problem with it, though, so I guess I would lean more towards Yes.

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    • We need to demote them because all of them either:

      • Do not need the powers at all
      • Are extremely inactive and will never return again
      • Do not need the rights anymore

      And have you even seen the contribs of these bureaucrats? Please only vote if you have seen the contribs of these bureaucrats.

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    • Yoshiman seems to have done pretty well (just at a glance, I may be missing some things) but I definitely agree with you on Soul reaper's contributions, and DarkSmasherElite (even though he founded this place) does have a extremely small number of contributions (and, of course, left that farewell letter.) Like I said before, I would go with Yes.

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    • Yeah Yoshiman did do pretty well to get the wiki up with articles but he hasn't edited since 2011; it has been 2 years since he last edited. See my point with all of these bureaucrats demotions? All of them are inactive and don't even need the b'crat status at all/anymore.

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    • Clubchloe1
      Clubchloe1 removed this reply because:
      Removing replies and other stuff related to votes by users who have not contributed to the wiki
      14:53, February 16, 2013
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    • Tormented Sufferer
      Tormented Sufferer removed this reply because:
      So viewing a removed reply also automatically restores it...Damn.
      02:19, June 7, 2013
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    • Clubchloe1
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      16:30, February 16, 2013
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    • As for my opinions, I also agree with what you and Kane have said above, so I'll go with Support.

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    • Does anyone think this is a good enough to close and show to Wikia staff to demote these bureaucrats?

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    • Well, it does have agreement from all currently active staff, which seems like it should be enough.

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    • Yeah, but it should also be the community too, which means that even non-staff members can vote, as this should be other users opinions too (for Wikia's policy saying that the wiki should be lead by the community*).

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    • While I agree with you, quite frankly just about our entire community right now is the staff. Sad but true. Weirando is the only recently active user who's not staff that I can think of off the top of my head, and one vote isn't going to make a difference.

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    • According to the ListUser, the recently active users are solely us and Weirando. CABAL could also be considered, if s/he is more active. Other than this, not many people are left to be asked. But still, maybe you can post this thread on the main page to gather public votes? I'm sure that we will gain community consensus, and when this thread is presented to staffs, there would be enough reasons for these four users to be demoted.

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    • So yes, we shall put this on the main page.

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    • Ummm..guys, we still need more votes to this thread... This thread is not being closed until the whole community (that is active and has edited something else than contributing to this discussion) says why and if they want these bureaucrats to be demoted.

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    • I'll try to get users to this thread from their talk pages, or we can try out the community-expanding method I offered on a different thread.

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    • I can understand users sometimes being inactive, even for years, and then suddenly coming back and making significant contributions to a wiki. I'm one of those kinds of people.

      That said, I couldn't really see demoting any of them. I've looked at the contributions overall; Soulreaper has a large amount of edits and generally explains changes he makes. Yoshiman doesn't have as many but they are still quality. Both of them have at least done something in 2011, and 2013 is just starting. I could understand there being an issue if we're talking about absolutely nothing through late 2013 to early 2014, but it's early March right now. DarkSmasherElite is the founder; I don't agree with demoting him mostly due to that, but if this is about activity, so be it. At the very least he should still retain the credit that he is the founder.

      A better option, in my opinion, would be promoting more members that have proven their consistent activity and quality in editing Okami wiki articles. This would add more people who use the powers in a constructive way, and would help improve the Wiki overall. (I think a large possibility to help increase the activity of this wiki may be to be slightly nicer to new members too, just my opinion, though.)

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    • About Soul reaper, even though he has a large editcount, it is merely what is left when we eradicated the mass of redirects and useless templates he created. His powers are unnecessary, as for doing the essential tasks, they have already been covered by us. On the other hand, with his powers, he may do certain things that could cause massive problems. For more of the matters regarding Soul reaper, you would want to ask Clubchloe1 instead.

      About The Yoshiman, he has the best history out of the candidates for demotion, it is simply that his powers are unneeded. Should he ever returns and need to do something, his place as a consultant is much more appropriate.

      About DarkSmasherElite, even though he is the founder of the wiki, his powers are also unneeded. The basic tasks is also of the same reasons as above.

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    • I see, I can understand your points there. As far as daily tasks are concerned, I could see demotion being justified for them. However, should they come back and remain active, I think they (Yoshiman, DSElite) should be promoted again. 

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    • Yes, as they do deserve the powers, should they return to activity. But with Soul reaper, the same cannot be said, for obvious reasons.

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    • So this has been settled? I can close the thread knowing that the whole community has voted..?

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    • Actually not. Weirando has not voted yet. I'll ask him now.

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    • I don't know very well the background, so I vote neutral.

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    • I think you should look at the contributions of Soul reaper, The Yoshiman and DarkSmasherElite first, for a more in-depth look in their histories. Also, what that is not visible in Soul reaper's contribution is the mass of useless redirects and templates he created, giving him a very negative vibe. You can see more details of this by asking Chloe.

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    • So incase you don't want to bother me on my talk page, I'll give you a summary of his edits:

      He created so many damn red links we had to start a project because of him! These red links were created by his STUPID USELESS templates. Plus, the only thing he has ever done around here is create useless redirects! This thread was started because of soul reaper..and many other inactive bureaucrats who we need to get rid of. Soul reaper shouldn't have even become an admin; the reason why he was promoted is because "he has made overwhelming support to the wiki". Want to know what I think of that? BULL****!

      Sorry that turned into a rant..I needed to get that out of my system because people need to know about soul reapers actions.

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    • Honestly, I'm a modest and semi-sleeper contributor and that issue is too big for me. I'm not a traitor but my vote is neutral.

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    • Okay, basically, what I was saying is that he never should have been a admin, and should not even be a bureaucrat for all of the issues he made for our wiki.

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    • i have to say oppose there is no reason we need tardy b crats  i dont like that Yoshiman was tardy since 2011 and that soul reaper made so many red links wich is just more trouble for the b crats

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    • So you mean you agree with the demotion?

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    • of course there is no reason for them to have powers when tardy or make too many red links

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    • whoops i mean neutral :s

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    • "of course there is no reason for them to have powers when tardy or make too many red links" and whoops i mean neutral :s", these points conflict with each other, you know. Please state your clearest opinion.

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    • What happened to them anyway? Aren't they at all against with these sort of predicament which just landed on them?

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    • They are not even active to know that they have been demoted. Besides, if they know that they cannot help but only causes trouble, then they'd feel fine to be demoted anyway.

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    • Hm, bummer. What now then?

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    • They'll be demoted. Do you agree with their demotion?

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    • To be honest, I may act all leader-like, but I never agree to demote or fire anyone. Those guys are under you, so..... what am I to say?

      If they had neglected their duties as the admins or bureacrats in this wiki(with or without reason), just go for any drastic measures for all I care.

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    • Alright then, I'll take it as neutral.

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    • Speaking of neglecting their work...

      They haven't been active for some time right? Is DEMOTION really as revelant as it?

      If you ask me..... a "Shot" is more relevant, or the "Take some Time OFF"

      Catch what I meant? He,he~

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    • They've been inactive for a long time. And if it were in our power, we would have demoted the bureaucrats ourselves long ago.

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    • Looking through this..nothing was really ever settled. So I am archiving this thread and closing it. If you would like to add to it, contact Tormented or I (whoever is active).

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